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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Cunoaste cineva cauza........ Reply with quote

A mai intampinat cineva problema asta cu operculii ? Nu este defect din nastere si mai precizez ca nici nu au pofta de mancare ,mananca dar foarte rar si doar larve rosii , rumega permanent ca si cum ceva iar incomoda sa poata manca normal,de respirat respira bine pe amandoi operculii nu stau la suprafata caliatile apei sun ok:
NO3 - 25
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GH - 7
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PH - 7
Temperatura 30 grade C
In apa asta au crescut de mici ,nimic nu e schimbat .
acum vreo 2 zile am terminat tratamentul cu metro dar nici o schimbare ,stau intr-un colt si atat.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ce anume au la operculi?
Sunt cumva infundati spre branhii?
Daca da, am avut si eu un discus care avea operculii la fel dar nu avea nici o problema in schimb.
Mananca doar larve rosii din cauza ca sunt rasfatati.
Nu stiu ce vrei sa zici cu "rumega".
Arata cumva ca si cand ar incerca sa scuipe ceva?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Da la asta ma refeream cand am zis ca '' rumega'' parca vor sa scuipe ceva , si tot ciugulesc cate ceva din masa apei dar nu se vede nimic parca ar mima ca mananca iar lipsa poftei de mancare este de ceva timp ,cred ca vreo 2 3 sapt , iar la colt intra in momentul cand deschid capacele sa-i hranesc ,parca sunt pedepsipti . Nu stiu ce sa zic .
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atunci cand vor sa scuipe ceva, de fapt ii deranjeaza ceva la branhii (viermi branhiali de obicei).
Uneori ii poti vedea respirand pe un singur opercul.

Daca se confirma, ii poti trata cu Gyrodol sau Dactymor sau formol.
Ai grija, sa respecti prospectul.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Multumesc marian4232, am sa fac maine tratamentul cu Gyrodol .
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Numai daca se confirma faptul ca au viermi branhiali ii poti trata.

Simptomele sunt:
-incercari de a elimina viermii prin miscarile descrise de tine
-respiratie acelerata
-folosirea unui singur opercul din cand in cand (uneori schimba operculul)
-incercari de a se scarpina de anumite obiecte din acvariu

Urmareste-i si daca vezi mai multe simptome poti face tratamentul comform cu prospectul (2 tratamente la interval de 7 zile daca-mi aduc bine aminte)
Sa ai oxigenare la maxim deoarece substanta in care este dizolvat praziquantelul din Gyrodol poate determina o inmultire a bacteriilor aerobe din acvariu.Acestea in numar mare vor face ca apa sa se tulbure si vor suge tot oxigenul, pestii respirand la suprafata.
De aceea se recomanda tratatea pestiilor doar 6 ore.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am stins lumina si nu o mai aprind dar maine am sa urmaresc sa vad daca apar toate simtomele descrise de tine ,de doua sunt sigur , incercarea de a se elibera de viermi prin acele miscari si faptul ca incearca sa se scarpine.
Alta problema este faptul ca in prospectul de la Gyrodol nu se precizeaza temperatura ,oare nu conteaza?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nu cunosc sa se impuna o anumita temperatura.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

De cand au inceput sa arate asa si sa manifeste simptomele cu pricina? Restul care nu au defectul au crescut impreuna cu cei afectati sau au fost introdusi ulterior? Ai facut vreun tratament mai agresiv in ultima vreme?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Operculii inchisi i-am vazut acum 2 sapt ,la inceput am crezut
ca-i defect dar apoi am facut si legatura ca nu mananca si a mai
aparut si la un leopard acum 2 zile care sunt sigur ca nu a avut nimic
inainte
2.Majoritatea sunt impreuna de 7 luni, acum 4 luni am mai luat niste
leoparzi care au stat in carantina 2 saptamani.
3.Iar de tratament in afara de metronizadol am mai facut unul cu
Bactopur direct o pastila la 50 l apa prima data iar apoi, dupa ce am
vazut ca nu are nici un efect asupra lor ,am facut o baie de 30 min .cu
Bactopur direct o pastila la 2 l apa si continuat tratamentul normal in
acvariu mare ,asta e tot ,dar problemele cu operculii erau deja
dinainte de a incepe tratamentul ,in acvariu am sare 1 lingura la 20 l
apa.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In poza apar operculii cu o adancitura spre interior daca vad eu bine. Asta nu cred ca se mai repara. Cauza e posibil sa fie paraziti care irita operculii in interior. Asa ca un tratament contra Dactylogyrus(repetat pentru ca tratamentul nu afecteaza ouale) ar fi benefic. Daca si dupa tratament mai tin operculii inchisi, "rumega", se scarpina etc. trebuie incercat altceva. Sa ne spui cum se prezinta dupa.

Chiar daca raman cu operculii ondulati o sa mearga folositi la reprodus, nefiind defect congenital.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am sa incep maine tratamentul cu Gyrodol ,alceva mai bun nu am momentan, dar daca stii tu altul mai sigur spune-mi te rog .
Va tin la curent cu rezultatul tratamentului. Multumesc!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mi-e greu sa-ti spun un tratament mai bun pentru ca nu stiu sigur daca viermii branhiali sunt cauza sau altceva. Ramane de vazut cum se comporta dupa Gyrodol si in functie de asta mai vedem.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ieri am facut tratamentul cu Gyrodol,azi dimineata nici o schimbare chiar sau mai aliniat la colt inca 2 leoparzi ,i-am hranit cu tetra discus dimineata ,la pranz am sa le dau niste chironomus congelat, ramane de vazut in urmatoarele zile.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dupa ce termini tratamentul incearca sa-i tii 7-10zile cu sare mai multa in apa. 3linguri rase/10litri puse in apa in 2-3 transe in 24h(aproximativ).
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